As I stated in my last posting it is amazing what one can find on the internet.
Hunting around for internet information on Israel and Palestine I discovered this film titled “Occupation 101,” by Sufyan Omeish and Abdallah Omeish. It, like Steadfast Hope, the booklet published by Israel/Palestine Mission Network of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), is full of misinformation and lies about the State of Israel and Jewish history.
For instant, Camera: the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America writes:
“A succession of film clips depict oppression in Northern Ireland, in Algeria, against black civil rights marchers in America and South Africa. Words of righteous indignation by Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela are juxtaposed with these scenes of violence. This culminates in footage of Israeli forces assaulting — without a hint of context — stone-throwing Palestinian protesters. The viewer is led to see the Palestinian cause as connected to a worldwide struggle for civil rights. But the viewer is being fed a lie, because the concept of equality and coexistence championed by civil rights leaders in South Africa and America is inconsistent with the Palestinian leaders' exhortations to violence.”
The film uses many interviews including several Jewish ones, which is an absurdity, since the list also includes one person, William Baker, who has ties to neo-Nazi groups.
As Camera puts it:
“Most disturbing was the segment featuring pro-Palestinian Christian activists which contained classic anti-Jewish undertones and crucifixion imagery. These activists blame Israel for the disappearing Christian presence in the Holy land, notwithstanding the ongoing attacks by Palestinian Muslims against Palestinian Christians. William Baker, head of Christians and Muslims for Peace, asserts the "first converts to the teachings of Jesus were Palestinians." The first converts to Christianity were, of course, Jews, just as Jesus himself was Jewish, along with most of his close associates and early followers.
Baker’s appearance in the film is noteworthy. He was expelled from the congregation of Dr. Robert Schuller, founder and head of Crystal Cathedral in Gardengrove, CA after his association with groups espousing anti-Semitic views was revealed. An exposée by Stan Brin in the Orange County Weekly (Feb. 13, 2002) details Baker’s connections with anti-Semitic and neo-Nazi organizations — for example, he chaired the neo-Nazi Populist Party in 1984 — and also alleges that Baker’s academic pedigree is fake.” (emphasis mine)
Another interesting part of Occupation, 101 is that Douglas Dicks, who is “the regional liaison for the PC(USA) in Jordan, Israel and the Palestinian Territories, including the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and Jerusalem,” is also one of those interviewed.
Dicks is also an advisor to the Middle East Study Team who will present recommendations to the 2010 General Assembly. As pointed out on the web site of the Presbyterian Office of the General Assembly the “The team is assisted in its task, as needed, by drawing on the resources of staff most familiar with the historic relations with people in the region, issues and dynamics of the conflict and PC(USA)’s wide range of policies relative to the mandated study.”
Since the booklet, Steadfast Hope: The Palestinian Quest for Just Peace, in an anti-Semitic tirade, implies that most present day Jews are not connected to the ancient Israelites, that the Jewish people control the media in the United States and that the Israelis committed ethnic cleansing it is not a surprise that Dicks has purportedly praised the booklet, suggesting that although some in the church may not like it, he believes “it represents the most up-to-date resource that may be able to help educate Presbyterians and others about the current realities in Israel/Palestine.”
A friend of mine has suggested that we should all be out in the street protesting such anti-Christian anti-Semitism. I agree.
But my biggest concern is that we have a seemingly official Presbyterian organization, the Israel/Palestine Mission Network, apparently, accountable to no one, pushing such hateful rhetoric. (The unaccountability of Israel/Palestine Mission Network was confirmed to me by Linda Valentine, Executive Director of the General Assembly Council, in an e-mail.) And not only that, we have a Middle East Study Team whose report will come to the 2010 General Assembly after having been influenced by an advisor who believes and commends the anti-Semitism of the publication Steadfast Hope.
19 comments:
Viola,
How about writing up and presenting to your Presbytery a resolution to eliminate both, which would then be forwarded on to the next GA?
You already have on your blog the reasoning for the resolution.
Adel Thalos
Snellville, GA
Adel,
I am thinking there should at least be one saying that such entities as the Israel/Palestine Mission Network must come under the authority of the General Assembly Mission Council so that they can be held to some accountability.
In fact now that I am writing this I am wondering if a case could be made that since the GAC now has mission in their name perhaps they could also be considered automatically over such groups.
Ms. Larson:
Given the qualities for the Israel foreseen by the prophets, do you believe the present state of Israel is the same as that foreseen by the prophets?
Robert Johnson
Robert,
Only God knows that!
But I do believe that Scriptural fulfillment is for the Church but for Israel also.
God usually gives us doubles in the Hebrew Scripture. What I mean is it is the same as when we see both the history of Israel in the Bible but also the shadow of what will be the Church; we cannot divorce either one.
For instance God promised that King Ahaz would have a son as a sign. That is history. But we also know that when Isaiah the prophet spoke the words, “Behold a virgin will be with child and bear a son and she shall call his name Immanuel,” that that is a prophetic utterance concerning Jesus Christ. So we cannot discount the historical son of Ahaz, nor the historical Son of God.
If you are asking about the fulfillment of the Messianic Kingdom I know that neither Jew nor Christian would believe that Israel is that. But nonetheless the state of Israel is a gift given by God to the Jewish people otherwise she would not exist. He is after all Sovereign. Are you reformed?
If you are asking if I am a dispensationalist, no I am not-that would mean that I believed that God had differing dispensations of how he dealt with humanity.
I believe it has always been grace, that in the sacrifices the people of Israel were looking toward their Messiah. That is also what Calvin thought.
I hope that answers your question. And this is my fault because I have not been doing it, but I need you not only to leave your full name but your city and State also.
Viola Larson
Sacramento, Ca
Viola:
I am assuming (and am open for correction) that you believe that there is something distinctive about this particular state of Israel, given the tremendous amount of energy you expend on defending it, especially the genetic provenance of its people. Thus my question - if this is a matter of utmost importance for the church and for Christians, I understand. The intervention of foreign powers to dispossess legal landholders in Palestine might, indeed, be justifiable IF there is some belief that this a God-motivated appearance of Israel, blessed to be a blessing, etc. Otherwise, it is like any other nation on the world scence (just as God treated it when it abandoned its God-given mandates). By the way, the Zionist (Herzl) ideal - Eretz Yisra'el for the Jews - was always the ideal - not the demonstration of God's compassion to the world.
As a Reformed theologian, I see no reason to say that because any nation is set up with ANY name, that I have to believe that it is a righteous providence worthy of special consideration, only a providence to achieve some end to which I am not privy, not being part of the divine counsel. Because Kim Jong Il rules and Kim Il Sung set up North Korea, I see no need to defend their actions for or against anyone as being ordained by God because they exist. However, I can plainly see their actions toward others are that by which they and the nation they rule should be judged. Israel is no different in that case.
What does your Reformed theology tell you about the nations?
Since even a Davidic-line king sitting on the throne meant nothing to God if there was no quest for righteousness and justice in Judah (and whatever one is to think about the exiled Israelite state is something again), I am thinking that the Israel I will get excited about is not one made as a residence for Jews (genetic or non-genetic) out of other people's lands and homes by human declaration, but one from which righteousness, compassion and justice are spread to the nations. *That* Israel has yet to appear, and no one, from Weitzmann to Netanyahu, seems to be interested in that Israel at all.
Modern Israel exists - that is a given. And the Jews that live there, as human beings, need a place to be, and be safe. The question for Christians, as far as I am concerned, is how should we relate to, and think of that nation. The dispensationalists, influencing American Christianity at every turn, have made modern Israel a divine state as Lewis Sperry Chafer would have wanted it. However, our sole concern should be, as it (should be) for every independent state, justice for all in the land, no matter what their religious persuasion. The question is - what is justice for Jews (who have the power, money, world-wide influence and weaponry) AND stateless Palestinians (who have rage, army surplus rockets and all the wrong friends).
Robert Johnson
Richmond, VA
Robert
I think there is some misunderstanding here on several counts. You asked me what I thought about Israel as a modern nation, but you did not seem to understand that my complaint has been the anti-Semitic diatribe the Israel/Palestine Mission Network has used in trying to discuss the issues in the Middle East.
It appears that you agree with what they have stated; it should be obvious to you that I do not.
For instance, you say, "The question is - what is justice for Jews (who have the power, money, world-wide influence and weaponry) AND stateless Palestinians (who have rage, army surplus rockets and all the wrong friends)." This in its self shows the side you are coming from. "World-wide influence" hardly. Power, hardly. And on the other side why should not the Israelis have some rage also. Your remarks seem to me to be very one sided.
And the Palestinians are stateless because of the nations around them and the Arab nations who have used them as pawns in order to rid themselves of a Jewish State.
And yet, none of this has anything to do with your first question. You are right God will lift up or bring down all nations. I just think you have the facts wrong.
You are ignoring my main thought that the Israel/Palestine Mission Network has written a anti-Semitic booklet because they have implied that the Jewish people are not connected to ancient Israel, and they have committed ethnic cleansing, and the Jewish people are influencing the media in the United States. You say nothing about that or is that what you meant by influence and power?
Viola Larson
Sacramento, Ca
"I am assuming (and am open for correction) that you believe that there is something distinctive about this particular state of Israel, given the tremendous amount of energy you expend on defending it, especially the genetic provenance of its people."
Your chronology is mistaken. I highly doubt Viola would be expending such energy to defend either Israel or the Jewish people had not the IPMN and related PC(USA) groups spent so much energy singularly to attack Israel and the Jewish people. (Obviously this is not unique to the PC(USA) - but their focus on Israel is distinct in degree, severity, and unfairness, from the attention they pay to any other nation, people, or situation in the world.
You seem to be looking for some motive for Viola - as if she began by advocating or supporting Israel in some unique and disproportionate way when clearly hers is a response to unfair attack. I don't think you'll find this motive where you're looking.
If Israel is, as you say, no different from N Korea, why do you imagine so much focus is placed on Israel? Read PNS, statements of Presbyterian officials, actions of GAs, actions of affinity groups, and you see very little focus on N Korea. Certainly relatively rare criticism. For my part, I would be perfectly happy to see Israel treated as any other state - but that is not happening at all. It is receiving distinct and inferior treatment.
As a side note, there are very few dispensationalists. There may be a lot of pre-millennialists, but the vast majority of these know nothing of Darby's dispensational philosophy. (As opposed to, say, reformed use of that concept.) Additionally, many Christians who are supportive of Israel are so on the basis of fair mindedness - not on the basis of their interpretations of prophecy.
Even the perception of the power relationship you advance is skewed.
Thanks Will,
I just need your city and state.
North East, MD
Viola,
Thank you for the obvious care and time you have spent on this important topic, both here and, as of today, on Presbyweb. You have researched all angles of the conflict in and around Israel and what this means for Jews and Christians.
John Erthein
Erie, PA
Anonymous that was an interesting link. If you resend it with your name, city and state I will post it.
Viola Larson
Sacramento, Ca
Viola
I read your response to Neil Cowling on ChurchandWorld. Are you going to post that response here?
I think you and Neil both made some good points about the civil war of 1947 and 48 and the war of Israel against the surrounding nations in 1948. I went and read the sources that you and Neil referred to.
There is evidence that some Palestinians fled their homes out of fear of Jewish retaliations for attack on Jewish kibbutzim and neighborhoods in Jerusalem. Some fled out of fear because of the attack by the Irgun and Levi on Deir Yassin But they also fled because of attacks on their villages the Haganah and in some cases they were exiled from their villages by the Haganah and later by Israeli forces.
I know that the Palestinian leaders do not provide willing negotiation partners. The biggest sticking point in the plan proposed by Saudi Arabia is a right of return for those who left or were forced out in 1947 and 48 and their descendants. This is not acceptable to Israel because then the Jews in Israel would be a minority and there would be no Jewish state But certainly the people who were forced out of their homes deserve a land of their own.
Jews deserve and land of safety and so do the Palestinians.
Bob Campbell
Sharon Hill, PA
Pastor Bob,
Right of return is complicated - as you yourself know. It is true that Palestinians have a number of legitimate aspirations and complaints.
One of the problems is the fact that these complaints are, in many cases, not accurately directed. The displacement in 48 was multi-causal. The discplacement of Jews from neighboring states is generally ignored. What has happened since is pretty exclusively blamed on Israel by the Palestinians and the PC(USA), and by many activists. However, that is not supportable.
That there are different laws applying to Palestinians in Lebanon, Jordan, and elsewhere - banning certain careers, educations, etc. That Jordan has been busily removing the citizenship of its Palestinian population. That others have encouraged the emergence of violent groups through cash and organizaitonal helps - e.g. paying the families of suicide bombers, funding and training Hezbollah, etc. --- all of this is ignored in PC(USA) sources.
It makes it easy to blame and demonize Israel. Commenters here have done so. But the fact is, many people have contributed to the bad situation in which Palestinians find themselves - and the desctruction of the current Jewish State of Israel - offers no solution whatsoever. Yet when unfettered right of return, or the undermining of the Jewish State is brought into play - that is what is being called for - by IPMN and others.
Viola,
I just wanted to commend you on your excellent, informative, truthfully forceful, yet kindly response on Presbyweb.
May the Lord strengthen and bless your work.
Adel Thalos
Snellville, GA
Sorry not to respond yet. I have a shower happening here in two hours for my second great granddaughter, Luna-who has yet to arrive. My husband will also be returning late this afternoon after being gone for over two weeks. BUT I will eventually get back to you. and thank you everyone.
Bob,
Will's thoughts and the references I directed people to in my answer to Neil Cowling covers everything fairly well. I would put both Cowlings post and mine on my blog but they are both over three pages long. What I would recommend is that if people are really interested they subscribe to ChurchandWorld.com
http://www.churchandworld.com/PCUSA/. (it use to be just Presbyweb). It isn’t that much and you get good coverage from both sides, both left and right, although Hans Cornelder is an Evangelical. You can always look at past postings. (Don’t I sound like an advertisement.)
Here is the reference I sent Cowling to, http://www.answers.com/topic/1947-1948-civil-war-in-mandatory-palestine But it is important that whoever reads it reads everything.
Viola Larson
Sacramento,
Ca
Viola
I've subscribed to ChurchandWorld for a long time
And I got the info that I used from your link.
Bob Campbell
I know Bob I just meant that for everyone else.
I'd like to 2nd Viola's comments about Church and World (formerly Presbyweb).
It is, IMO, hands down the best source of balanced information on the PC(USA) available. [That is not intended as a slam or insult to other publications, but all have their editorial slant. Hans Cornelder goes far out of his way to present items from the range of perspectives.]
Will Spotts
North East, MD
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