Friday, February 28, 2014

Zionism Unsettled: the insufferable actions of the Israel/Palestine Mission Network-Update


Update: A friend sent me this information: "For several years now, all kinds of entities of the PCUSA have published stuff on the same web address that PNS uses. However, PNS has no responsibility for anything that is not clearly published by PNS itself. The article about Zionism Unsettled says it was published by The Israel Palestine Mission Network of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.). They are free to do what they want, including opening up the possibility for responses, without PNS doing the same thing for their articles, and they don’t need PNS permission for it."

This changes most of my thoughts on this posting. Everywhere I have placed the Presbyterian News Service I should put the Israel/Palestine Mission Network, except for the article by the PC (U.S.A.) So I am changing it now, including the title.

This is insufferable and awful! The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) really doesn’t want to hear the voices of their own members if they disagree with any supposedly progressive organization in the denomination.  On the other hand the Israel/Palestine Mission Network of the PC (U.S.A.) advertised their publication on the news service with an article about Zionism Unsettled. “Presbyteriannetwork opens new dialogue on Zionism was published on January 21st. They immediately allowed comments about the publication. They listened to any bigot who wanted to write a comment. The last one by George Duke being:

The Jewish supremacists should take this report seriously. It shows that the church will not shill for their lies any more.

The other news article about Zionism Unsettled was the PC (U.S.A.) attempting to take a neutral position. That article, Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) remains committed to peace for Israelis and Palestinians” was published February the 13th. The PNS did not allow comments, not even for several days after I asked the author, Kathy Francis, the PC (U.S.A.) communications director why none were allowed. Then after burying the article in their archives they finally published some of the comments. I say some because one of the now published comments is by Presbyterian Dr. Martha E. Leatherman who is asking why her comment was not published and I see no other comment by her.

But back to the other article, the one which lifts up and highlights Zionism Unsettled. While there are comments by Presbyterians on the first article, “Presbyteriannetwork opens new dialogue on Zionism,” there are also well known, and unknown bigots with comments such as the one above.

One of the ant-Semites is Tom Usher. He wrote and IPMN published it:

Zionism is anti-Christ. Ask the Jewish-Zionists. They aren't interested in God's and Jesus's message of loving their neighbors. They stomp on their neighbors trying to get them to submit under Jewish supremacy. They steal their land by force of arms. Have you heard the racism and ethnic bigotry coming out of Jewish-Zionist leaders? It's wicked. How can the Church not stand opposed to twisted, worldly Zionism? Peace, love, and truth, Tom Usher

Usher writes on a blog, Real Liberal Christian Church. One article he connects to on his blog is from Veterans Today and it is the idea that Israel was the instigators of 9-11. It is an interview by Gordon Duff, chairman of Veterans Today.

Another commenter is Tyron Parsons.  He writes and IPMN allowed:

This is good news. Finally a traditional Christian org in America stands up to the uber hypocritical "Jewish" Zionist power structure. Its about time. Fact is, Jewish Zionism is based in Judaism/Talmudism as an all encompassing outward expression of other Jewish controlled movements such as Marxism-Communism. Its end goal is a world Gov seated by the main Anti Christ. Zionism is Judaism and it is the so called "Jews" common law where as true Israelites (European/white/Christians) common law is Christian/Natural law. Both of these common laws show the difference between the DNA/spirit of Esau "Jews" and European/whites-Christians (Jacob-Israel/Judah). The so called Jews, "Israelis" bid for World Gov will happen but it is destined to be replaced by God's people (Authentic Christians) when the true lord returns, exposing the false and planting HIS kingdom on their apostasy. (By the way- don't even try and calling me "anti semitic". I will post "Jewish" admissions to all I have said above, all day long". 95% of the so called "Jews" don't have natural links to the tribes of Israel. They are impostors (Rev 2 and 3) coming from Maternal links to Esau and Ashkenaz who are from Japeth, not Shem (Genesis 10:3).

Another commenter, Charles Carlson, who sells historical revisionists (denying the Holocaust) books states:

 Bravo PCUSA: I cannot wait to get my copy of Zionism Unsettled. Based on all reviews, including desperately distorted ones from some who share in the guilt. This is a vital need fulfilled. And PCUSA will not be the last. For too long Christian Zionist in American evangelical churches, including, Richard L. Land of the Southern Baptist convention, have blame the victim for every act of brutality against them, and getting away with it. But the movement to discover and expose what Occupation is, is rooted and growing in the traditional churches like the PCUSA, who know abut [sic]missions. Scripture is on their side. "Blessed are the Peacemakers." Restated: Who would Jesus Bomb, or imprison for sixty years? From one who has seen Gaza from the inside, Charles E Carlson

I have written about Charles Carlson here: Who is Charles E. Carlson & why does he picket churches?.

This is a true picture of what happens when one opens the door to darkness, all the minions of hell will waddle in through the door. It also a picture of what happens when you ignore the voices of your own denomination. It may be that the Israel/Palestine Mission Network speaks to the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) but so do all of the other members and their voices have real meaning. I believe an apology needs to come from the Office of the General Assembly and from the Israel/Palestine Mission Network. And while we are in the business of apologies the Jewish people need an apology for all of the trash allowed in the comments.

And I should apologize to the Presbyterian News Service because I thought they were involved in the problem.

 

23 comments:

Anonymous said...

Viola,

It is truly bizarre that the PNS would publish blatantly anti-Semitic comments. Would they have published comments attacking any other group of people? They can exercise editorial judgment about which comments to publicize and they have shown how flawed or even malicious their judgment is.

John Erthein
DeFuniak Springs, FL

Anonymous said...

BTW I left an expanded version of the above comment on their report:

Why would the Presbyterian News Service publish and therefore propagate several blatantly Jew-hating comments (I am referring to the comments by Duke, Lindbergh, Usher, Carlson, Parsons, "Tyrone H," and Bowling)? Would you have published such attacks on any other group of people? You *can* exercise editorial judgment about which comments to publicize, but you have shown how flawed or even malicious your judgment is.

Viola Larson said...

Thanks John. I hope a lot of people respond to this, it is so outrageous.

Viola Larson said...

I have a few clues that Bowling is another known anti-Semite but I couldn't make the complete link. He certainly is on what he says in the comment section.

Greg Scandlen said...

John,

It is not a mystery why they would publish such tripe. They agree with it. The PCUSA is in fact and in deed an anti-semitic organization. Like "progressives" everywhere they need to find scapegoats for their own failings and the Jews are always handy.

Greg Scandlen
Wayneboro, PA

Anonymous said...

Viola - fyi, it looks like all those comments have now been removed. Glad you captured them.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous,

No the anti-Semitic comments are still there ... but not the one I wrote objecting to them.

John Erthein
DeFuniak Springs, FL

Anonymous said...

I have raised this very issue on my Facebook page and the PC(USA)'s Facebook page.

John Erthein
DeFuniak Springs, FL

Anonymous said...

I have also covered this at Stand Firm and The Reformed Pastor. Good work, Viola!

David Fischler
Woodbridge, VA

Anonymous said...

Just put this comment on the article:

I understand the comments on this article (and site) are moderated. So, it's OK with PNS for raving bigots to rant about "Jewish supremacism," "blind support of the Jews," "Zionism is anti-Christ," and spew naked racism like that of Tom Usher? What other forms of hate are allowed on PNS comment threads?

I'll let you know if it ever appears.

David Fischler
Woodbridge, VA

Viola Larson said...

Thanks David, I don't think they put up comments on the weekend, but I am not sure.

Anonymous said...

Viola,

I updated my own comments accordingly.

Bless you,

John Erthein
DFS, FL

Anonymous said...

Viola,

I updated my own comments accordingly.

Bless you,

John Erthein
DFS, FL

Doug Hagler said...

"John,

It is not a mystery why they would publish such tripe. They agree with it. The PCUSA is in fact and in deed an anti-semitic organization. Like "progressives" everywhere they need to find scapegoats for their own failings and the Jews are always handy.

Greg Scandlen
Wayneboro, PA"

Occasionally I scroll down and read the comments on your site, Viola, and I almost always regret it. Greg here really lets the wind out of the sails of your argument that hateful comments are not justified. It appears that hateful comments toward Zionism are not justified. Hateful comments toward a whole denomination and all progressives? Perfectly appropriate.

But like progressives everywhere, I am of course an anti-Semite just looking to blame someone for my failings.

Thanks, Greg, for pointing that out, so we can all understand how bad it is to generalize about people in a hateful or contemptuous way.

Reformed Catholic said...

Come on Doug. Yes its a bit over the top, but so it calling conservatives "Homophobic, bigots, and so on".

Is it justified, not really. Not the entire denomination agrees with what is being posted by IPMN, however, you really don't see anyone in the top leadership coming out and saying "that is just too much, and the report should not be released".

Is that an argument from 'silence', yeah it is, but it is the same type of argument one gets when someone on the left argues that Jesus did not say anything about X, Y or Z.


Viola Larson said...

Well, Doug after changing my post you can see that most of the problem can once again be dumped in the hands of the IPMN. But I do believe as Reformed Catholic puts it that the PCUSA is making a statement from silence. And I would think you might have some comment about the awful comments the IPMN allowed on the PCUSA news site. Surely that must bother you.

will spotts said...

The PC(USA) - as a whole organization - has declined to effectively reel in the IPMN. Several GAs have called for a fairer presentation, but these were vague and carried no weight. The GA created the IPMN and gave it is mandate. The Presbyterian News Service and the PC(USA) give web-space to the IPMN and allows them to moderate their own comments on that site. It seems far-fetched to pretend that this does not reflect Presbyterian policy. It seems far fetched to suggest the PC(USA) as a whole, the Presbyterian News Service, Presbyterian Mission Agency, the Office of the General Assembly, the Moderator, the Stated Clerk, the Executive director would not intervene were hate speech of the type in the comments to the January 21 article - were they directed to any other group - ethnic, religious, or national.

Viola Larson said...

I am waiting until next week when offices are open and then I am hoping to find more answers to some of the questions raised here. But I think you are right. However, it seems that PNS has no say over what other PCUSA organizations that write on their site allow in comments. But it does seem that the OGA should have some words. So-when are you going to start writing?

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the heads up on the correction, Viola. I would argue that while PNS is not directly responsible for the comments appearing, they are nevertheless indirectly responsible by virtue of allowing IPMN to use their space. But then, that's yet another piece of evidence that IPMN is in fact an agent of sorts of the PCUSA.

David Fischler
Woodbridge, VA

Viola Larson said...

David, that is one of the questions I want to ask. Who gives permission to use the site? Is it simply a blanket permission for any PCUSA organization. And truly, who posted the PCUSA article and controlled it until it was hidden away?

Viola Larson said...

And here is another are there any rules on what gets posted and what kinds of comments are allowed?

Anonymous said...

As far as I know anti-Semites are dependent on inaccurate, partial and dishonest quotes of the Talmud whose sole purpose is to accuse the Jews in false accusations. In historical test Jews did not persecute other peoples, when actually other peoples, Christian and even Muslim, persecuted the Jews for various reasons. So Tyron Parsons claims are false and I'm sure that in any free debate against any Self-awareness Jew his whole false theory will break down as a house of cards that collapses at easy wind.

All serious DNA studies since the beginning of the 90s have repeatedly proven compatibility of DNA of all Jews congregations in Europe, in North Africa and the Middle East, including the Land of Israel aka Palestine. These tests only confirm the known and documented written Jewish history of over 3600 years.

On the other hand, Anti-Semites fail to acknowledge that Judaism is not a race but people-hood combined with faith. Christians who are not Christians-by-blood attacking Jews for not being Jews-by-blood. Full hypocrisy. The fact is that Jews are descendants of ancient biblical people of Israel, the ancients Hebrew tribes. But many gentiles were converted to Judaism mainly at the Judges period and the beginning of the first temple house era. A Jew is one who was born to a Jewish mother or converted to Judaism according to the Jewish laws. That makes the anti-Semites race claim to be ridiculous and stupid. King David grand grandmother was Ruth the Moabite. Second house King Herod’s father was Edomite who has converted to Judaism. Few of the Talmudic Rabbis were gentiles who had converted to Judaism. I think that anti-Semites first have to study themselves.


Abe Bird, Brussles

Viola Larson said...

Abe, I agree with most of what you have said. Thank you for the comment.