tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post800560898744135340..comments2024-03-12T08:04:47.314-07:00Comments on Naming His Grace: The Israel/Palestine Mission Network & Zionism Unsettled denies the uniqueness of Jesus ChristViola Larsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-67275489309506679782014-01-30T07:04:02.799-08:002014-01-30T07:04:02.799-08:00Viola - I understand. It is not something we shoul...Viola - I understand. It is not something we should ever get used to, and you're quite right to speak out about it. <br /><br />For my part, I have trouble believing the denial you describe. I'm 100% sure it's there. It just seems to be more willful collaberation than an honest lack of awareness. There comes a point beyond which remaining unaware of the way things really are happening in the organization is not credible. <br /><br />For example, I imagine some will say that "since the confessions haven't changed" we're still christologically sound. It seems as if such a person would be waiting for the organization to repeal the Nicene Creed or the Apostles Creed. <br /><br />As if an organization would do this - when it can keep those creeds while embracing the 'new' Christology those creeds reject. People will deceive themselves into imagining that this perspective represents humility rather than unfaithfulness. Meanwhile, the organization will retain the creeds as 'beloved' artefacts and pretend there is a continuity between them and the trajectory we are on now. will spottshttp://wspotts.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-47288101032470185992014-01-29T14:39:44.907-08:002014-01-29T14:39:44.907-08:00Yes, Sherry, I thought that was so trite, after to...Yes, Sherry, I thought that was so trite, after totally destroying the biblical understanding of Christ-God's complete revelation, they think we might be worried about membership loss because we teach the truth of Jesus! <br /><br />And your prayer is my prayer.Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-60645203469014421532014-01-29T14:35:45.493-08:002014-01-29T14:35:45.493-08:00Will, my problem is, I can never get used to it. A...Will, my problem is, I can never get used to it. And there are some leaders, even evangelical ones, who say that Christology has not been touched in this denomination but it has-this is a document by an official PCUSA organization and these same leaders seemingly do not care. Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-11498615385591837042014-01-29T14:27:07.281-08:002014-01-29T14:27:07.281-08:00If one looks to numbers, "Claims like this wo...If one looks to numbers, "Claims like this won't attract new members or keep existing members from falling away." If our purpose was to keep the numbers rising by making people comfortable with their lives as they are, then maybe their argument would have some merit. But, if we are merely working from fallen, human logic, then there are philosophers who say we cannot know anything. There's absurdity everywhere.<br /><br /> Jesus on earth is God revealed to us. We can take Him at His word or leave it, but to change what He said about who we are as His church, His people, His body is rude. I'm sure the writer at IPMN would not want their words changed by others, even those who consider themselves admirers. <br /><br />Will, you are so right. <br />Viola, we must keep praying that all will see Salvation is necessary, and only from the LORD, or else they abandon their post as leaders, vocal, or otherwise.Sherry L. Kirtonhttp://www.thekirtondrawnback.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-78184626970873432182014-01-29T07:59:09.917-08:002014-01-29T07:59:09.917-08:00Viola,
I expect what you describe represents a ...Viola,<br />I expect what you describe represents a 'common' view within the PC(USA). I expect also that it is far more common among the leadership - e.g. national employees, officials, seminary professors, even seminarians. I'm a little nervous to see how widespread it would be among pastors and even members. <br /><br />It *is* the view of the secular world - the culturally approved view. So it is the easy view to hold in this time and place.<br /><br />It also is incompatible with biblical Christianity, but I'm not sure that matters to a great many. And to others, I think this is not shocking at all. It has come to be expected that it will be embraced within the PC(USA). That does not mean, of course, that all or even most Presbyterians embrace it. It does mean that the PC(USA) is itself pluralistic. (Which is to say that people are used to multiple, incompatible faith perspectives co-existing within the organization, and they are used to preference being given to the most non-biblical ones among them.) will spottshttp://wspotts.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com