tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post5062084202656461013..comments2024-03-12T08:04:47.314-07:00Comments on Naming His Grace: Lynne Hybels and the Israeli, Palestinian problemViola Larsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-87646407841812767952013-12-10T14:32:15.767-08:002013-12-10T14:32:15.767-08:00Thinking of the idea that there is a great deal of...Thinking of the idea that there is a great deal of hatred in the Arab world towards the Jews, as I stated in my article, there is this documentation-a link that someone sent me_<br />http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2013/12/jews-were-first-to-lose-their-homes-in.html#.UqeUbSLTnIU<br /><br />That is a paper notice from the 19the century, it had nothing to do with the establishment of the State of IsraelViola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-24906193310124900062013-12-10T14:04:40.969-08:002013-12-10T14:04:40.969-08:00A friend who heard Hybels speech had this to say a...A friend who heard Hybels speech had this to say about her speech and what I wrote:<br /><br />"You know, Viola, when I heard Hybels give her talk and, later, upon reading her text, I also understood her to be dismissing the one (binational) state vs. two state (Israel and Palestine side by side) solution concerns. <br /><br />But just as I was highlighting your remarks for someone, it suddenly dawned on me that she might be talking about the future Palestine. One argument used on the pro-Israel side to indicate that it would be a very bad idea to give the Palestinians independence right now is to ask, "Well, will it be a one state Palestine, or is it going to be a Palestine under the PA and a Gaza under Hamas?"<br /><br />If you read her text with that meaning in mind, I think the paragraph will suddenly make sense and seem less dismissive about maintaining a Jewish majority state. I just think the way she phrased herself was unfortunate."<br /><br />I think it is only fair to point that possibility out.Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-61356674701680491892013-12-10T13:26:25.369-08:002013-12-10T13:26:25.369-08:00I would not agree with every point she makes, but ...I would not agree with every point she makes, but to be honest, IMHO this is as good and balanced an article on the complicated circumstances of Israel and Palestine as I have read in a very long time. Perhaps it is not perfect, but it adds a needed perspective from a respected source.Al Sandalownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-6861954002958907542013-12-10T12:41:35.565-08:002013-12-10T12:41:35.565-08:00Will, I started to address the problem of Hybels n...Will, I started to address the problem of Hybels not addressing other advocacy groups, because as you know some in the PCUSA are far left of Hybels and are, as far as I am concerned entirely anti-Semitic. But addressing all of that would have changed the subject and made my posting far too long.<br /><br />Add to that, that some at the Check Point Conference have been entirely anti-Semitic suggesting that that European immigrants to Israel have no connection to ancient Israel. I would like to see other conference participants speak out against that.<br /><br />And thinking of that now I was troubled by Hybels addressing the long residence of the Palestinians in the land but not mentioning that the Jews have existed in the land for as long. That would be a good question to ask her. Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-33061731385883612642013-12-10T11:41:55.581-08:002013-12-10T11:41:55.581-08:00Thank you for this posting, Viola.
You do well to...Thank you for this posting, Viola.<br /><br />You do well to acknowledge the just / fair parts of Hybels's writing. <br /><br />I agree that she misses a couple of very important things - without which it is impossible to offer anything constructive.<br /><br />Yet, most narratives on the Israeli - Palestinian situation - either by intent of simply bias, fail to acknowledge the very legitimate differing perspectives. It is remarkably easy to create heroes and villains when, in fact, there are individual heroes on villains. It just doesn't follow that one 'people' is good and one 'people' is evil; yet that always seems to be the subtext. (I mean here in both pro-Israel and pro-Palestinian 'sides'.)<br /><br />Hybels also fails to realize (or fails to address) one other significant point: the role of international advocacy groups in this issue - who exactly are partners, what specifically do they advocate, and what narratives do they proffer. <br /><br />From a Christian point of view, it would be impossible to be part of such an advocacy effort without clearly repudiating the goals, narratives, and tactics of certain subgroups - things that are always wrong, whatever the 'shared vision of good' - things that cannot be put into a context that makes them in any way OK. <br /><br /> <br /><br />will spottshttp://wspotts.worpdress.com/noreply@blogger.com