tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post4778993370090499522..comments2024-03-12T08:04:47.314-07:00Comments on Naming His Grace: Equpping the saints, telling lies, and other thoughtsViola Larsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-23099338378439994792010-05-21T20:18:42.580-07:002010-05-21T20:18:42.580-07:00Yes,
I agree with that also.Yes,<br />I agree with that also.Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-1338532968774885922010-05-21T19:59:53.884-07:002010-05-21T19:59:53.884-07:00Thanks for pointing that out. I guess that answers...Thanks for pointing that out. I guess that answers that.<br /><br />On ONE point I agree with the Presbytery of San Francisco: "The issues raised ... by the IPMN ... have not yet been addressed, and need to be—in a substantive manner."<br /><br />This does need to be addressed in a substantive manner. If the IPMN can provide evidence for its allegations against Jewish organizations - then it needs to do so. If it cannot, then the PC(USA) needs to decide, once for all, if it supports the kind of hate speech such an unsubstantiated allegation would constitute.will spottshttp://wspotts.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-3248171761393493422010-05-21T19:51:03.279-07:002010-05-21T19:51:03.279-07:00Will,
This is in the text of the rationale:
&quo...Will,<br /><br />This is in the text of the rationale:<br /><br />"The leadership of the Israel-Palestine Mission Network, upon learning that such entities [The Middle East caucus for one]had not been invited to participate in this process, expressed its concern to the Office of Interfaith Relations. The issues raised in the following critique of “Christians and Jews: People of God” by the IPMN in its memo of February 18, 2010 to the General Assembly Mission Council have not yet been addressed, and need to be—in a substantive manner. (See attached background materials for text of this memo.)"<br /><br />So it must have been S.F. who attached the link.Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-45911590536506626522010-05-21T18:37:53.875-07:002010-05-21T18:37:53.875-07:00I'm curious - do you know if the Presbytery of...I'm curious - do you know if the Presbytery of San Francisco appended this document - or was it added somehow administratively.<br /><br />I ask because I thought I originally saw it briefly as an appendix to the report of Christians and Jews. <br /><br />I'm wondering whether or not the Presbytery of San Francisco thought this was somehow perfectly OK. Clearly their overture echoes the desire of the IPMN - but would they really think that the contents of this (including the accusations) could in any way, shape, or form be considered ethical conduct?will spottshttp://wspotts.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-48615301218559683302010-05-21T18:27:36.769-07:002010-05-21T18:27:36.769-07:00I noticed the difference - this has NOTHING to do ...I noticed the difference - this has NOTHING to do with Israel or the government of Israel. It is targeting American Jewish groups. <br /><br />I can't imagine the source. They cited Muzzle Watch - maybe there was something on that site at some point?will spottshttp://wspotts.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-33853932085529237942010-05-21T14:02:33.281-07:002010-05-21T14:02:33.281-07:00Will,
I am particularly bothered by this because i...Will,<br />I am particularly bothered by this because it is a slander against the Jewish people of the United States. And every time I read it, and I have read it a lot trying figure out where it is coming from, I wonder is it something taken off of an anti-Semitic web site like Storm Front. <br /><br />I know there are some very strange things out there-but who knows. <br /><br />How can we ever talk about the real problems when this kind of thing keeps showing up in Presbyterian documents.Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-58158391565052903812010-05-21T13:53:47.541-07:002010-05-21T13:53:47.541-07:00Viola - I also have been trying to find out what i...Viola - I also have been trying to find out what incident the IPMN was describing. I too am coming up with a complete blank - it seems to be a complete fabrication.<br /><br />I know that people will sometimes comment - claiming the IPMN is not antisemitic. But I think this diverts from the relevant issue. If indeed this story is untrue- as clearly seems to be the case, I, for one, could not care less what the motives behind such libels are. The intent, though difficult to defend, is far less important than the fact that accusations of this kind are being made in the first place.<br /><br />It may well be that overt lying was not the intent. It may be that this is simply a manifestation of such a degree of bias that prompts people to believe the worst of their targets without proof. <br /><br />Whether the IPMN is motivated by some indiscernible cause - their action itself is the problem. Commissioners to the GA need to be aware that it is NEVER OK to spread false information, that it is NEVER a Christian action to ignore fundamental fairness, and that one-sidedness and bias in terms of facts presented automatically precludes any possibility of the 'prophetic'. <br /><br />This is just egregious; unfortunately, equally false information is being presented in numerous overtures, from the MESC, and from other employees, networks, and committees of the church. <br /><br />Will Spotts<br />North East, MDwill spottshttp://wspotts.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com