tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post4535045132289797693..comments2024-03-12T08:04:47.314-07:00Comments on Naming His Grace: “A Plea for Justice: A Historical Analysis:” false beginnings, twisted thoughts- part 3Viola Larsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-15430560171551287332010-04-02T13:59:05.201-07:002010-04-02T13:59:05.201-07:00I think the other side gave up on debating with us...I think the other side gave up on debating with us. They are putting their energy into getting the SF overtures and the report passed. Why argue about it if you already have your mind made up and, more important, you are busy trying to get the GA to take a particular position?Pastor Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10510081361292855641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-50599420438917812992010-04-02T12:31:54.097-07:002010-04-02T12:31:54.097-07:00Yeah,
But according to my feed a lot of people rea...Yeah,<br />But according to my feed a lot of people read or at least looked at it. Do you think I am being boycotted:^) I really don't mind as long as it is being read.Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-12809703714801127152010-04-02T12:20:05.354-07:002010-04-02T12:20:05.354-07:00Viola
Isn't it interesting that no one but yo...Viola<br /><br />Isn't it interesting that no one but you and me are commenting on this? <br /><br />Bob Campbell<br />Sharon Hill, PAPastor Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10510081361292855641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-34841834995619559352010-03-30T21:46:46.763-07:002010-03-30T21:46:46.763-07:00Yes, I thought of that. If it wasn't for Israe...Yes, I thought of that. If it wasn't for Israel we would probably be more focused on Iran, etc. Because that side of the argument wouldn't exist, but Iran and other problems would exist. After all Israel was certainly not the cause of the war between Iraq and Iran. But none of that is easy, all of it is complex.<br /><br />And I'm with you about being tired of the argument but I am afraid we will go on having the argument in the PCUSA; I wonder if God has something to do with that: -)Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-37513008976981429662010-03-29T22:56:39.660-07:002010-03-29T22:56:39.660-07:00Viola
I am sick (and tired) of having this argume...Viola<br /><br />I am sick (and tired) of having this argument in the PCUSA. What exactly do these people hope to achieve in their actions? If the PCUSA actually passes these overtures Jews in America will cooperate with their local friends but not with presbyteries or the GA. Is that the goal? PCUSA proclamations don't hurt Israel. The one thing that might hurt is if the PCUSA becomes a leader in divestment. But of course colleges in England and across America already have divested. Maybe they hope to persuade the US government to stop giving money to Israel (and Egypt). Not gonna happen. If the US stops supporting Israel and Egypt the US loses any possible control or power in the region.<br /><br />The core problem that no one wants to talk about is what would happen to Muslim countries for Morocco to Iran? Without Israel to distract the masses maybe the masses will see the corruption and oppression of their leaders and rise up against them. Does the US really want that?Pastor Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10510081361292855641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-306387521868156892010-03-29T19:33:22.341-07:002010-03-29T19:33:22.341-07:00Bob,
I do agree with you, and I have been thinkin...Bob, <br />I do agree with you, and I have been thinking a lot about this today. There are real problems that Israel needs to consider. However, here is our problem as Presbyterians, all we have are one sided organizations that keep feeding people material that is, false, incomplete or just one-sided. And they stick all the real problems in between. I think one can safely say that they have set themselves up for failure. That is they won't help prevent a war even if all of their materials are adopted and received.<br /><br />And there are some real bad guys out there, the Hamas and others to the right or left of them. But the Palestinians are the ones suffering because of Hamas. They need some better leaders.Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-5706799027053555252010-03-29T16:19:17.180-07:002010-03-29T16:19:17.180-07:00I was thinking about all of this today before I re...I was thinking about all of this today before I read your blog. It seems to me that part of the problem is that some people (on both sides of the issue) want to make things simple. History and condemnations are much simpler if one side or the other is a clear bad guy. And since Israel has more weapons they must be the bad guy. <br /><br />Of course life isn't simple. The 1947-48 series of war is not simple. There is plenty of blame to go around. It is very difficult when someone says that they are going to exterminate you, particularly right after 6 million of you kinfolk have been murdered. On the other hand in some locations the Israeli Army (and before that various groups) had pushed people on to trucks saying that they were going to be in the way of a war, people who weren't participating in the war at all, and at the end of the war they weren't allowed to go home. <br /><br />I suggest there is plenty of sin and stupidity on both sides. Acts of terror by Palestinians and their friends led directly to the building of the security barrier. Suicide bombing did go down. But shouldn't the barrier have been placed on the blue line? <br /><br />In other words the only way to choose sides is by ignoring the sins that the side you support. <br /><br />Is there a way out of all of this? It sure would help if people stopped killing others and particularly the innocent. And it would be very helpful if the Palestinians offered a permanent peace, recognition of Israel as a state on the condition that Israel end the settlements on the West Bank. And Jerusalem? There must be a way for Jerusalem to be the capitol of 2 countries. And it would be best if it were not divided. Part of the complaints after 1948 was that the Western Wall was in East Jerusalem and Jews were not allowed to worship there. (At one point it was a garbage dump) <br /><br />A solution depends on the violent on both sides standing down. And it is much simpler to kill people than it is to make peace.Pastor Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10510081361292855641noreply@blogger.com