tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post4523122520887247646..comments2024-03-12T08:04:47.314-07:00Comments on Naming His Grace: Two articles, one author--propaganda for the next General Assembly?Viola Larsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-10388065652171373842013-09-07T10:41:44.810-07:002013-09-07T10:41:44.810-07:00Al I do believe we are closer in our views than I ...Al I do believe we are closer in our views than I thought. Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-75746359632464433022013-09-07T10:12:47.466-07:002013-09-07T10:12:47.466-07:00>But I could be wrong. how do you feel about di...>But I could be wrong. how do you feel about divestment?<br />>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br />I don't think it works. I think Israel will be more likely to sacrifice for a just and workable solution if it feels secure and supported. I don't see how anything the PCUSA has suggested will work towards that.<br /><br />That said, when Israel does wrong, I feel it's not just fair, but important to point it out (just as I think when the USA does wrong, it needs to be pointed out). <br /><br />Al SandalowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-53426825684551759522013-09-06T22:10:06.189-07:002013-09-06T22:10:06.189-07:00Because I posted a link to a supposedly UN school ...Because I posted a link to a supposedly UN school for children, I must post this-which is a refutation by the group UNRWA. The only anti-Semitic teachers are in the West Bank and the UNRWA have dissolved their relationship with them. http://www.unrwa.org/etemplate.php?id=1852 <br /><br />Nonetheless by seeing what the teachers are saying there is that desire for ethnic cleansing among radical Palestinians.Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-85427667388297008322013-09-06T20:34:58.095-07:002013-09-06T20:34:58.095-07:00Al, on just the basics which you have stated I wou...Al, on just the basics which you have stated I would agree with you. But if we get down to the particulars I think we would have some disagreements. But I could be wrong. how do you feel about divestment?Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-29073060056519803772013-09-06T17:51:26.367-07:002013-09-06T17:51:26.367-07:00>Are you aware that Bennie Morris is a Zionist ...>Are you aware that Bennie Morris is a Zionist and has complained that too many who write about Zionism and Israel misuse his book<br />>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br /><br />Yes, but I think that gives the facts in his book all the more credibility.<br /><br />To me, this is not an issue that one side is all good and the other side all bad. There are factions on both sides teaching hate, just as there are groups on both sides teaching tolerance and co-existence.<br /><br />I know that sometimes ANY criticism of Israel is seen as blanket support for those who are opposed to Israel’s existence. In truth, both sides have done great wrongs to the other and with the current misbalance of power, it is Israel who is able to use subtle tactics to advance their position and dispossess Palestinians, even in areas of Palestinian control.<br /><br />I think Israel needs to give a fair, workable portion of the West Bank to the Palestinians to live in (not the Swiss cheese arrangement they now have). I think Palestinians need to fully accept Israel’s existence and stop their terrorism against Israelis. I think Israel need to protect the rights, property, and cultural/religious heritage of all non-Jews who live within their borders. Nothing short of this will bring real peace.<br /><br />Al Sandalow<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-42268990200040074392013-09-06T13:53:44.781-07:002013-09-06T13:53:44.781-07:00Oops I forgot the link. https://www.youtube.com/wa...Oops I forgot the link. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iURo_lsdXvAViola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-22099255796619867522013-09-06T13:53:12.272-07:002013-09-06T13:53:12.272-07:00Also I might recommend this video that someone rec...Also I might recommend this video that someone recommended to me. It clearly details Palestinian children being taught to make war against Israel until the Jewish people are gone. A UN school by the way. Listen to it all.Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-23901082694941312122013-09-06T13:26:54.917-07:002013-09-06T13:26:54.917-07:00Al,
I appreciate your thoughts but do not agree wi...Al,<br />I appreciate your thoughts but do not agree with all of them. Are you aware that Bennie Morris is a Zionist and has complained that too many who write about Zionism and Israel misuse his book<br /><br />Have you read his small book, One State, Two States: Resolving the Israel/Palestine Conflict? He is not an idealist but he does understand that while there were atrocities on both sides the Arabs did attack and that on both sides was the idea of expulsion of the other; it was simply larger on the Arab side. <br /><br />And yes, you are right, Israel must be both secure and just.Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-60991914042333981362013-09-06T10:57:10.404-07:002013-09-06T10:57:10.404-07:00Viola, I am no fan of the one sided GA attempts to...Viola, I am no fan of the one sided GA attempts to censor Israel…but only because they are one sided. I do think much of what these articles say is true. Not all; certainly not all the glib analysis or the trite phrases.<br /><br />Orthodox Jews and radical settlers are putting pressure on various elements of Israeli society and the “price tag” is only one part of it. Protestant churches are being vandalized, burned, and harassed on a regular basis. For example:<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSrFbNwxAlg<br /><br />I have several friends who live in Israel and are part of Protestant churches and experience these problems regularly. No one is ever prosecuted for these actions.<br /><br />You say “Ethnic cleansing is not Israel's history.” I would love for that to be completely true. I do believe that much of what Israel has done for many years is to try and put just enough pressure on the Arab populations that they will want to leave and go somewhere else. I actually think this has backfired, as those who have and are leaving tend to be the middle class, educated moderates; many of Christians. Those who stay tend to be more radical, more anti-Israel.<br /><br />What is true is that during the War of 1948 Israel intentionally and deliberately expelled many Arabs and destroyed or took over many of their villages. Certainly the most honest and best researched study of this is in the book “1948: A History of the First Arab-Israeli War”, by Bennie Morris – a Jew and Israeli citizen. If you don’t believe this, read the book. It certainly changed my mind as to the actual facts.<br /><br />I am a big supporter of the Nation of Israel. But I believe Israel must be both secure and just. <br /><br />I’m equally a supporter of the beleaguered Christians in the Holy Land. I don’t know if you’ve ever been to Israel, but I would suggest you make an effort to go there and visit with some of the Palestinian Christians on both sides of the separation wall. I think you would find it a unique learning experience.<br /><br />Al SandalowAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com