tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post3851832443362556396..comments2024-03-12T08:04:47.314-07:00Comments on Naming His Grace: Belhar: the 'conservative' Reformed Church In America & the Christian Reformed ChurchViola Larsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-66947658919256689922010-10-06T10:16:41.642-07:002010-10-06T10:16:41.642-07:00Dave Watson (Kent, WA) writes -
Calvin Seminary i...Dave Watson (Kent, WA) writes - <br />Calvin Seminary is hosting a panel discussion on the Belhar<br />Confession next week Tuesday, October 12, at 7:30pm (Eastern time)<br /> <br /> John Cooper, Victoria Proctor-Gibbs, and Peter Borgdorff will dialogue on<br /> the Belhar Confession. Thea Leunk will moderate the discussion. One<br /> question that will be addressed is "Should the Christian Reformed Church<br /> adopt the Belhar?" Free and open to the public. Please join us.<br /><br />Re: Calvin Seminary Panel Discussion on Belhar - Tuesday, Oct. 12 (Watch Live) <br /><br /><br />The panel discussion WILL be recorded and broadcast live (if technology<br />cooperates). Links will be available on the CTS Lecture Archive page [1].<br /><br />http://www.calvinseminary.edu/calendar/lectureCalendar.php?archive=1<br /><br />/"...a box will appear in the top left of page that says something like<br />"listen/watch live." Be patient for a couple of minutes so the IT guys can get<br />things going (or if we start a couple minutes late). If for some reason it<br />doesn't work it will definitely be on the archive within days of the event."/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-69022145956671270732010-10-01T13:31:35.301-07:002010-10-01T13:31:35.301-07:00Charles,
This is what you wrote:
Dean, I hope and...Charles,<br />This is what you wrote:<br /><br />Dean, I hope and pray that you are wrong, but whether you are right or wrong, I don't think Belhar has anything to do with it. Belhar arose out of a church much more theologically conservative than the PCUSA (http://www.vgksa.org.za/), and has been or is being considered as a confessional standard in two North American church bodies that are more theologically conservative than the PCUSA: the Reformed Church in America (https://www.rca.org/belhar) and the Christian Reformed Church in North America (http://www.crcna.org/pages/belhar.cfm). <br /><br />That gave me the impression that you were saying that because Belhar came from a conservative church, and was being considered by two American conservative churches it shouldn't be the cause of departures. Perhaps I misunderstood the meaning of that but it still sounds that way to me.<br />But the whole purpose of my posting was to point out that the conservative churches were struggling just as we are. And that there are organizations, official ones, that are intending to use Belhar for the ordination of homosexuals. And just like our denomination there are people who are concerned about that.Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-69811436553789464882010-10-01T11:43:34.427-07:002010-10-01T11:43:34.427-07:00Viola,
You over-read. I in no way provided "...Viola,<br /><br />You over-read. I in no way provided "proof that adopting Belhar will not lead to departures from the PCUSA." <br /><br />The question that had been raised was whether or not Belhar would split the PCUSA. I suggested that Belhar's connection to more conservative bodies suggests that it is not inherently part of a liberal plot against the PCUSA. Whatever split may or may not occur in the PCUSA, we should not give Belhar as the reason for a split. That is a far cry from claiming that "adopting Belhar will not led to departures from the PCUSA." I don't know the answer to that question. <br /><br />Charles WileyCharles Wileyhttp://pcusa.org/theologyandworshipnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-46964201425905393082010-09-30T14:36:51.291-07:002010-09-30T14:36:51.291-07:00You are correct. Sorry.You are correct. Sorry.John McNeesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18301421993866391399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-85822719149353797122010-09-30T14:01:56.873-07:002010-09-30T14:01:56.873-07:00John,
I do believe you put your comment on the wro...John,<br />I do believe you put your comment on the wrong posting. so put it on the right posting and I will disagree with you there:-0Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-23718741783456732902010-09-30T13:37:19.212-07:002010-09-30T13:37:19.212-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.John McNeesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18301421993866391399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-16713297147223507602010-09-30T11:04:33.049-07:002010-09-30T11:04:33.049-07:00And one of my thoughts lately has been that if a d...And one of my thoughts lately has been that if a denomination such as CRC is now struggling with these issues, no denomination is safe.Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-18827524646157966592010-09-30T05:29:37.417-07:002010-09-30T05:29:37.417-07:00I am a member of the CRC and would categorize the ...I am a member of the CRC and would categorize the two denominations in this way:<br /><br />The RCA is mainline, the Reformed version of the Presbyterian PC(USA), Lutheran ELCA, and so on.<br /><br />The CRC is a more mediating denomination, but it certainly has a kind of mainline wing and a kind of evangelical or 'conservative' wing.<br /><br />But you are certainly right to say that both are facing the same issues as the PC(USA).Jordanhttp://blog.acton.org/noreply@blogger.com