tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post2444263652661521307..comments2024-03-12T08:04:47.314-07:00Comments on Naming His Grace: The Israel/Palestine Mission Network lied: should we care? UP-DateViola Larsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-22421447728633053652010-05-31T00:09:08.788-07:002010-05-31T00:09:08.788-07:00Presbyterian Panel results usually are given more ...Presbyterian Panel results usually are given more credence, but that won't happen in this case. A combination of too little time and the fact that the Research Services would be ordered not to release findings (at least prior to the GA) on Presbyterian opinions of this document unless it supported the IPMN.<br /><br />As a sidenote - Did you happen to see the rather mendacious use of Presbyterian Panel statistics in the MESC Report? On questions related to corporate engagement or divestment they netted together the categories "strongly support" and "support". (It makes for a difference of about 25%)<br /><br />But when asked to rate the importance of maintaining relations between Presbyterians and the American Jewish community, they only reported the "very important" respondents. It makes for a difference between a 40% and 76% result.<br /><br />Choosing one or the other would be fine. But presenting the one with both categories and the other with only the strongest is very misleading and dishonest. It implies broader Presbyterian support for the outcome desired by the MESC than is shown by the data.<br /><br />Will Spotts<br />North East, MDwill spottshttp://wspotts.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-8222046161741592182010-05-30T23:46:04.895-07:002010-05-30T23:46:04.895-07:00It wouldn't have any effect in terms of a busi...It wouldn't have any effect in terms of a business item. But I know that people speaking to an issue in committee (either as overture advocates or when they were taking open testimonies) have sometimes presented petitions to show public support or opposition. In this case it would probably have to be when the San Francisco presbytery presented its overture to refer that had the IPMN document appended to it.<br /><br />I'm just thinking of ways ordinary Presbyterians can communicate with a GA. I've seen this done before, but, of course, it has no official weight.will spottshttp://wspotts.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-70589133219868989632010-05-30T21:18:50.806-07:002010-05-30T21:18:50.806-07:00Will,
I am not sure what that would mean-starting ...Will,<br />I am not sure what that would mean-starting a petition to be presented at GA. Can you explain?Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-20768943219638393562010-05-30T21:09:31.329-07:002010-05-30T21:09:31.329-07:00Viola - I wonder if anyone has started a petition ...Viola - I wonder if anyone has started a petition on this issue - I mean specifically for verified PC(USA) members to be presented in committee at the GA - either when testimony is opened or by a commissioner - perhaps in support of a commissioners' resolution?<br /><br />Will Spotts<br />North East, MDwill spottshttp://wspotts.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-56600762125020777032010-05-29T21:39:58.104-07:002010-05-29T21:39:58.104-07:00Viola's suggestion of contacting the OGA is va...Viola's suggestion of contacting the OGA is valid. But it has only limited effectiveness. (If enough people did so, it is possible, but unlikely to get a reaction.)<br /><br />Writing letters to Presbyweb , the Layman , the Outlook help to a degree. <br /><br />Speaking with your session - or contacting your presbytery is also a good idea. <br /><br />And, while it would probably be criticized by some, contacting your presbytery's commissioners to the GA and sharing your concerns couldn't hurt - especially if you know them.will spottshttp://wspotts.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-9060293929700504382010-05-29T18:04:37.916-07:002010-05-29T18:04:37.916-07:00Reformed Catholic,
I am hoping there will be sever...Reformed Catholic,<br />I am hoping there will be several people to testify at the beginning of the ecumenical committee meeting where this overture, 08-09 is coming and state that the paper has such lies in it.<br /><br />I do know that some letters helped when the video “I Am Israel” was on the IPMN site.<br /><br />"The Israel/Palestine Mission Network posts a film put together by those espousing radical Islamic views of Israel. UP-date at http://naminghisgrace.blogspot.com/2009/11/israelpalestine-mission-network-posts.html"<br /><br />I do believe that many do not know about the lies- but now it is posted on Presbyweb for the holiday weekend so more should know.Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-71503612935328685152010-05-29T17:39:06.733-07:002010-05-29T17:39:06.733-07:00Viola,
something tells me that emails to anyone i...Viola,<br /><br />something tells me that emails to anyone in Louisville may not be heeded or passed on. <br /><br />What would be more persuasive would be contacting the commissioners who will be on the committee to let them know.<br /><br />I also have a partial answer to why more Presbyterian's won't speak up: they have no idea about what is going on.<br /><br />The people in the pews are often the last to know.Reformed Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15582319442292078422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-74451104426357662512010-05-28T16:10:59.447-07:002010-05-28T16:10:59.447-07:00oops, I forgot to put the web site for the address...oops, I forgot to put the web site for the addresses http://www.pcusa.org/contactus/index.htmViola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-68619601402591897162010-05-28T16:09:37.707-07:002010-05-28T16:09:37.707-07:00Sherry,
I am thinking that one way might be to wri...Sherry,<br />I am thinking that one way might be to write a letter or e-mail sent to <br />Office of the General Assembly<br />100 Witherspoon Street<br />Louisville, Kentucky 40202-1396<br />(888) 728-7228<br />(502) 569-5000 <br />Fax: (502) 569-8005<br /><br />Or maybe better yet this is the stated Clerk's e-mail and extension number<br /><br />Parsons, Gradye OGA gradye.parsons 5375 <br />just add @pcusa.org to the e-mail.<br /><br />Here is the web site for all of the different staff’s numbers and e-mails<br />Just scroll to the end and click on the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) Alphabetical Staff Directory<br /><br />You could go to your session with a copy of the papers I have linked to in the text of this post and ask them to send a statement to the Presbytery with the hope that they and other Presbyteries forward them to Louisville. <br /><br />I will link the three other postings I have written on this at the end of the post and that will give you more information.<br />By the way thanks for asking.Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-21465440191493293432010-05-28T14:33:04.259-07:002010-05-28T14:33:04.259-07:00You said, "Why won’t more Presbyterians speak...You said, "Why won’t more Presbyterians speak up?"<br />What suggestions do you have for regular presbyterians like me regarding how we can speak up. I'd like to, yet have no idea how to tell presbytery anything that concerns me. <br />Thanks for speaking for us.Sherry Kirtonhttp://www.kirtondrawnback.orgnoreply@blogger.com