tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post2050178468623776866..comments2024-03-12T08:04:47.314-07:00Comments on Naming His Grace: Presbyterian Middle East Study Team & "The Kairos Palestine Document" no longer a Jewish Nation?Viola Larsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-39156140266005424992010-03-02T12:45:23.875-08:002010-03-02T12:45:23.875-08:00Well I can assure you my biggest problem will be b...Well I can assure you my biggest problem will be busy-ness. But hopefully we can work something out.Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-85560495662789538242010-03-02T12:38:16.599-08:002010-03-02T12:38:16.599-08:00It would be nice to actually get face to face with...It would be nice to actually get face to face with some of the folks we just talk to like this.<br /><br />Craig N<br />TC MN<br /><br />I'll be in town, but not at GA. Once I figure out where GA is I may throw out a few suggestions.Craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17149415942585847184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-10203731344564687452010-03-02T12:25:03.199-08:002010-03-02T12:25:03.199-08:00Craig,
If there is time- a great idea.Craig,<br />If there is time- a great idea.Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-44990834714761922572010-03-02T10:06:57.471-08:002010-03-02T10:06:57.471-08:00Viola,
With all the PCUSA folks who sem to be at ...Viola,<br /><br />With all the PCUSA folks who sem to be at each others blogs, it might be interesting to try to get together during GA. Any thoughts.<br /><br />Craig N<br />Twin Cities MNCraighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17149415942585847184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-82397323423432905022010-02-28T16:53:15.899-08:002010-02-28T16:53:15.899-08:00Well Kerri,
Maybe I will see you at General Assemb...Well Kerri,<br />Maybe I will see you at General Assembly where I am sure that many will be engaging in this and many other vital conversations. And I am glad you believe it is worth talking about.Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-10031135703371029142010-02-28T16:43:28.889-08:002010-02-28T16:43:28.889-08:00I would agree with Kattie. I'm not sure this ...I would agree with Kattie. I'm not sure this is the best place to have this conversation. The issue is vital, the conversation is a must, but this is not the place (for me) to engage in it.<br /><br />Kerri Peterson-Davis<br />Cleveland, OHKerri Peterson-Davisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-69505451525140132432010-02-28T15:17:45.619-08:002010-02-28T15:17:45.619-08:00"If the effort is not worth it wouldn't t..."If the effort is not worth it wouldn't that mean the issue is not worthy?"<br /><br />No, I wouldn't think that would be the only possibility. The issue certainly could be worthy even if the effort in a particular time and place is not.<br /><br />Kattie<br />Huntsville, AlKattiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12313727490126385824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-25521642207217119762010-02-28T13:59:41.617-08:002010-02-28T13:59:41.617-08:00Kerri,
Are you say that the issue is not worthy o...Kerri,<br /> Are you say that the issue is not worthy or the effort to defend an issue is not worth it? I'm not really sure what you are saying? If the effort is not worth it wouldn't that mean the issue is not worthy? Just wondering.Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-68423499951606592782010-02-28T10:35:34.274-08:002010-02-28T10:35:34.274-08:00or maybe we know the effort isn't quite worth ...or maybe we know the effort isn't quite worth it? <br /><br />Kerri Peterson-Davis<br />Cleveland OHKerri Peterson-Davisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-46646359798447048742010-02-27T22:32:49.690-08:002010-02-27T22:32:49.690-08:00I'm laughing with tears Bob.I'm laughing with tears Bob.Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-62911690301353653842010-02-27T21:46:23.385-08:002010-02-27T21:46:23.385-08:00Have you notice that people don't want to talk...Have you notice that people don't want to talk about theology of land or the cross but do want to talk about sex?Pastor Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07787179002120424157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-54444668726881292952010-02-25T23:53:24.743-08:002010-02-25T23:53:24.743-08:00John,
I referred to a romantic theology of sacred...John,<br /><br />I referred to a romantic theology of sacred land which Nazi ideologists used later. <br />And I will have to say that the author’s view of the land and the Palestinians connection to it amazed me since they were chastising some theology which connects the Jews to God’s promise of land. To explain a little more clearly, to move away from the biblical promise of land to the Jews and yet tie the Palestinians to the land with this statement, “Our presence in this land, as Christian and Muslim Palestinians, is not accidental but rather deeply rooted in the history and geography of this land, resonant with the connectedness of any other-people to the land it lives in,” is to move from a biblical view to a philosophical view. Not so much that one is wrong and the other right but it is simply a contradiction. <br /><br />If being in a land is not accidental for the Palestinians, than it is also not accidental for the Jews whose roots in the history of that land go back even farther. But this paper does not at any point admit that.Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-53634732940409939282010-02-25T19:22:21.872-08:002010-02-25T19:22:21.872-08:00What an extraordinary document! I would hope that ...What an extraordinary document! I would hope that the readers of this blog will read the Kairos Palestine Document in its entirety. I find Viola’s objections petty and unconvincing. <br /><br />The document' was signed by Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant leaders in Palestine which includes the confessional part. Astonishing! “No cross”? “Land has become a substitute for the cross”? Are we reading the same document?<br /><br />Her comparisons of elements in this document with Nazi “ideologists are despicable, the bearing of false witness.<br /><br />John McNeese<br />Ponca City, OKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-38551804067065100792010-02-25T19:07:57.863-08:002010-02-25T19:07:57.863-08:00Maybe I didn't express myself clearly. Your a...Maybe I didn't express myself clearly. Your assessment of the Kairos document is quite clear (although I don't necessarily agree with it). What I am encouraging you to do is be very clear that the Middle East Task Force of the PCUSA did not (according to the PNS news report) support the Kairos document as a whole. <br /><br />Kerri Peterson-Davis<br />Cleveland, OHKerri Peterson-Davisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-48139495238200876822010-02-25T18:56:01.361-08:002010-02-25T18:56:01.361-08:00Hi Kerri,
I felt I did address it when I wrote th...Hi Kerri,<br /><br />I felt I did address it when I wrote this:<br />"While love is called for as resistance is used, this is not a pacifist paper. While advocating for a logic of love the authors write “We respect and have a high esteem for all those who have given their life for our nation. And we affirm that every citizen must be ready to defend his or her life, freedom and land.” Since the acts of terrorism against Israel have, in this document, been blamed on Israel it must be concluded that with the above words the terrorist are condoned by the authors."<br /><br />There is no remorse in this paper that terrorist have killed innocent people in Israel. Please don't misunderstand me I am not saying that Israel hasn't done wrong things, but I am saying she is trying to defend herself and this paper is so one-sided. The worst part is the wording that suggests that a Jewish Israel should not exist.Viola Larsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09146967423654966140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7560220615271337359.post-6064006339426465112010-02-25T18:04:03.106-08:002010-02-25T18:04:03.106-08:00I hope you will draw attention to the portion of t...I hope you will draw attention to the portion of the Kairos document that the Middle East Task Force is endorsing:<br /><br />"endorsement of the emphases on hope, love, non-violence, and reconciliation found in an ecumenical statement by Palestinian Christians called the Kairos Palestine Document" (PNS, 10099, 02.02.10)<br /><br />Kerri Peterson-Davis<br />Cleveland, OHKerri Peterson-Davisnoreply@blogger.com